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Coppertop
Member since 11-13-02
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11-16-02, 00:06 AM (EST)
 
"things that make you go hmmmmm"
 
   Apocalypse Now, or Alottanukes Soon
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By Pepe Escobar

At a time when a tape handed over to the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television station has received widespread expose for its purported comments by Osama bin Laden in praise of recent terror events around the world, another al-Qaeda message released to the same station has received little coverage.

Al-Jazeera was granted an interview with one Mohammed al-Usuquf, allegedly al-Qaeda's number three. Al-Usuquf is said to be a doctor in physics and to hold a masters degree in international economics.
A copy of the interview was sent to the prestigious Arab-language daily Al Quds Al Arabi, edited in London, but it was not printed.

Asia Times Online has obtained a copy of the interview, and reproduces excerpts here, with the caveat that the identity of the man has not yet been confirmed, nor has his membership within al- Qaeda.

Al-Usuquf says that al-Qaeda's Kuwaiti spokesman, Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, and bin Laden himself, suggested that he grant the interview.
Bin Laden, he says, is "alive and healthy, along with his commanders Mohammed Atef, Khalid Shaik Mohammed and Mullah Omar".

Al-Usuquf starts by criticizing Washington's disrespect of
the Kyoto Protocol on climatic change, the International Criminal Court and the Palestinian cause, as well as the "financial greed" engendering speculative gains over Third World countries. He also criticizes the manner in which America wastes wealth, like US$80 billion a year on gambling. "They lost the notion of spirituality and only live in sin."

For this reason, America must be destroyed, and al-Usuquf insists that "aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and spy satellites will be worthless in the next war".

Al-Qaeda, according to him, has 5,000 first rank operatives and around 20,000 all over the world. Of all the prisoners in the US, only "20 or 30" are al-Qaeda, and all of them "second-rank".
Confirming Asia Times Online information, he swears that there are no first- rank prisoners in Guantanamo in Cuba. Al-Usuquf says, "We have more than 500 first-rank and 800 second-rank inside the US." "First rank" are considered ones that have lived in the US for more than 10 years, most of them married with children. "They have an idea about the plans, and they are just waiting for a call." "Second-rank" operatives arrived in the past
five years and "have no idea about the plans". They are all willing to die.

Al-Usuquf insists that September 11 "was just the beginning. It was a way to call the world's attention to what's going to happen."
He then details a plan to destroy the US by "attacking the heart of what they consider the most important thing in the world: money".

"The American economy is an economy of false appearances,"
says al-Usuquf. "There's no real economic weight. American GNP is something around $10 trillion, but only 1 percent comes from agriculture, and only 24 percent from industry. So 75 percent of its GNP comes from services, and most of it is financial speculation.
For someone who understands economics, and apparently America's Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill does not, or cannot, the US as a whole behaves like an immense dot.com, and dollars are its stocks.
The value of stocks from a given company is directly proportional to its profitability. When a company only provides services, but does not produce goods, the value of its stocks depends on its credibility. What I'm saying is if US credibility is affected, its stocks - the US dollar - will fall at tremendous speed, and the whole American economy will collapse."

Al-Usuquf is absolutely positive, "because, in a smaller scale, this is exactly what big financial conglomerates do with Third World countries to collect profits in one month that no Swiss bank would guarantee in four to five years". Al-Usuquf says that al-Qaeda could do the same by "provoking a deficit of $50 to 70 trillion, the equivalent to five to seven years of the GNP of the US".
How? By "destroying America's seven largest cities and some
other measures". The means? "Atomic bombs." Al-Usuquf's most startling revelatin is that the bombs "won't be launched, they are already there". "Seven nuclear heads have already been positioned on American soil, before September 11, and they are ready to be detonated. Before September 11, American security was a fiasco, and even later, if we needed, we could position the bombs there. They arrived through seaports, as normal cargo. A
nuclear head is not bigger than a fridge, so it can easily be camouflaged as one. Thousands of containers arrive at a seaport every day, and even with very efficient security, it's impossible to check and examine each one of them."

Al-Usuquf says that the bombs were bought on the black market:
five from the former USSR and two from Pakistan. The five Russian heads "are from T-3 missiles, also known as RD-107, and their power is around 100 kilotons each, that is five times the Hiroshima bomb. The Pakistani ones are less powerful, something around 10 kilotons each."

Each of the Russian bombs would have cost around $200 million.
Al-Qaeda was able to raise the money "because we have many
sponsors. Many countries sponsor us, and also some very rich people."
And not all of these are Arab countries. "Some European countries as well are also interested in the fall of the US." As to the "rich people", they are "people who are also tired of seeing the US bleeding the rest of the world."

And Iraq's Saddam Hussein, says Al-Usuquf, is not one of these people, "but just a collaborator, represented by Abdul Tawab Hawaish, his vice prime minister and responsible for Iraq's arms program".

Al-Usuquf says that the bombs cannot be detected by US authorities. "Even if they are old, they were modernized and are very well hidden. Even if they were located, they have autodetonation mechanisms in case something or someone gets close. Even an electromagnetic pulse is not capable of deactivating them." The bombs allegedly cannot be detected because "they are enveloped in thick layers of lead". They could be detonated "by various methods - cellphone
call, radio frequency, seismic shock or by their regressive clock".

Al-Usuquf details the whole plan. "First, one head would be detonated, which would cause the deaths of 800,000 to 1 million people and a chaos never seen before. During this chaos, two or three planes, which are now disassembled inside barns near empty roads in the US countryside, would take off in suicide missions to pulverize another two
or three big American cities with chemicals. Once the disease was identified, all seaports and airports would be quarantined. Land borders would also be closed. No plane, boat or car would enter or leave the US. This would be total chaos." The first target would be the city
"that would offer the best conditions, for example bright sky and winds of eight or more miles an hour blowing towards the center of the country, so radioactive dust can contaminate the largest possible area".

This attack would not knock out the US, recognizes al-Usuquf, "But the process would be initiated. As with the World Trade Center, it would be just a question of time for the whole economic structure to be turned to dust. If the objectives are reached with one bomb and diseases, probably we will save the lives of other people, but it's risky,
and probably six more bombs will be detonated, one a week, and more attacks with chemical weapons will be launched." According to estimates made by al-Usuquf "and Ayman al- Zawahiri", al-Qaeda's number 2, about 15 million people would die, victims of the bombs and the radiation. Among those contaminated by diseases, "25 percent will die, a figure around more than 5 million, plus many others due
to the chaos and disorder".

Al-Usuquf does not fear an American military response. "Even if five or 10 cities are chosen at random to be destroyed, it will still be a small price to pay. The problem is that the economic despair will be so great that even if it saves by not using weapons, american liquidity will be near zero, and the US will make more
money selling a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier to Turkey or Italy for $5 billion, because they will urgently need to recapitalize.
But it will be too late. Moreover, what will remain of an
American soldier's morale to fight knowing that his whole family died and his country ceased to exist? To fight for what?"

The world economy would not collapse, says al-Usuquf, although "in the beginning, it will be very difficult. But without the US the world will soon rise in a more just and fraternal manner. Nothing can stop the plan."

And whatever America does, "it's too late". When will the attack begin?
"I can't tell."
www.atimes.com/atimes/Fro...5Aa01.html


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  This was proved to be a HOAX bpilgrim 11-16-02 1
     RE: This was proved to be a HOAX Coppertop 11-16-02 2
         RE: This was proved to be a HOAX johnhorne 11-17-02 5
     RE: This was proved to be a HOAX Ardee 11-17-02 3
  Riddle me this, Batman... htuttle 11-17-02 4
     RE: Riddle me this, Batman... Ardee 11-18-02 6
         RE: Riddle me this, Batman... htuttle 11-18-02 7

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bpilgrim
Member since 11-12-02
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11-16-02, 12:35 PM (EST)
 
1. "This was proved to be a HOAX"
In response to message #0
 
   Though it is scary non-the-less...

I haven't heard the source of the hoax yet but i smell karl rove

peace


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Coppertop
Member since 11-13-02
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11-16-02, 07:42 PM (EST)
 
2. "RE: This was proved to be a HOAX"
In response to message #1
 
   have you got a source or a link? I would appreciate it very much.

Peace


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johnhorne
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11-17-02, 09:09 PM (EST)
 
5. "RE: This was proved to be a HOAX"
In response to message #2
 
   coupla quick things:

Atef is dead & "asuquf" spelt backwards is "fuq usa" ie ##### USA ...

now check this:

http://antivirus.about.com/library/hoaxes/bljazeera.htm

Incidentally, Asia Times have pulled the story & apologised profusely.


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Ardee
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11-17-02, 10:56 AM (EST)
 
3. "RE: This was proved to be a HOAX"
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   Well,some of it ,especially the statement that nuclear and chemical weapons are already in place may be untrue(at least I hope so).But the overall message is still there.If Al Qaeda decides to wage a terrorist campaign within the USA we have already lost.We will find ourselves,in short order,in a military state,ID cards,oaths of loyalty,civil liberties a thing of the past,people summarily arrested,denied council,never heard from again,the whole package.


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htuttle
Member since 11-15-02
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11-17-02, 12:48 PM (EST)
 
4. "Riddle me this, Batman..."
In response to message #0
 
   LAST EDITED ON 11-17-02 AT 12:49 PM (EST)
 
Why is it that since Sept 11th, we've seen more 'terrorist' acts done by Americans here at home, than we have seen done by Al-Queda, or any element connected to Al Queda?

The Anthrax mailer, the Smiley Face Bomber, the depressed kid who flew a small plane into the side of a building in Florida, the Snipers, etc...

Here's a rule of thumb I use for determining if there is a terrorist threat:
1) Look outside your window, and watch local news
2) Do you see any reports of satchel bombs in shopping malls, gas stations exploding, suicide bombers on buses, sabotaged power substations or natural gas pipelines getting cut? You know, stuff that terrorists do, as opposed to stuff that James Bond movie villians might do. (oh no! What if Osama Bin Laden gets a weather control machine or an orbital laser?)
3) If so, there may be a terrorist threat in your area.
4) If not, you may assume that it is relatively safe to go outside.

No doubt, the way Bush has been going, there surely will be actual terrorist attacks in the United States, but I've found it highly suspicious that basically nothing else has happened (not that I'm disapointed, mind you...).

Either there really isn't much of a terrorist threat, or Al Queda is such a lame bunch of terrorists that they just got lucky Sept. 11th (or got help?).


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Ardee
Member since 11-12-02
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11-18-02, 12:05 PM (EST)
 
6. "RE: Riddle me this, Batman..."
In response to message #4
 
   LAST EDITED ON 11-18-02 AT 12:13 PM (EST)
 
Well,Robin,since you asked..........

With the increasingly provocative nature of Bush's foreign policies,coupled with his continuing to underestimate(?)the fallout among moslems who see ,and rightly so,the US as an imperialist monster,can more terror be far behind?

I would expect actions like that in Bali,attacks on US bases and interests overseas,before seeing domestic attacks become common.I do think it important not to trivialise Al Qaeda,they are widespread,well financed and motivated.If we go into Iraq Id certainly not be surprised to see attacks here.

Tinfoil sidebar:
terrorist actions increase Bush's chances for turning this nation into a religious dictatorship,so why would he not ensure the escalation of them?

lastly htuttle,please stop wearing those tights,who do you think you are,Eminem?


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htuttle
Member since 11-15-02
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11-18-02, 01:03 PM (EST)
 
7. "RE: Riddle me this, Batman..."
In response to message #6
 
   I agree. I guess my point is that what we should expect from 'real' terrorism is more like Bali (and Palestine, and Omagh, and Kashmir, etc...) than it is anything like the wacked ideas that they've warned us about so far (Scuba Diving Terrorists with Rocket Launchers are going to blow up our apartment buildings with suitcase nukes!).

While I have no doubt that 'real' terrorism will come to our shores as a result of Bush's actions, what I'm saying is that it sure doesn't appear to have been happening yet (as we've been led to believe it would).

Is the average Al Queda operative much like Richard Reid (ie., the 'Shoe Bomber')? Or more like the invisible, all-powerful, ever-present 'boogey man' just waiting for the right moment to set off that massive biological bomb they've been sitting on?

To me, this lends credence to the possibility that Al Queda had less to do with Sept 11th than is supposed -- if they were behind it, why weren't they prepared to do much afterwards?

Again, I'm not minimizing the risk of terrorism -- I have a devious enough mind that I can imagine dozens of easily done things that could cause serious problems, but the fact that none of these easily done things have happened yet I find I highly suspicious.

ps. those aren't tights -- those are my legs...


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