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The dutch 9/11 ties- a tribute to Daniel Hopsickerposted by ewing2001 on Wednesday September 03, @08:29PMfrom the GFP dept.
On September 7th, Daniel Hopsicker will support a 9/11 Skeptic Panel in
Berlin.
The dutch 9/11 ties -from Eindhoven to the Magic Dutch Boys in Venice, FL
By Ewing2001 It's 1999. In the same year, when the "magic dutch boys" Dekkers + Kruithof hooked up with their new flight schools in Florida,
Please check out also 9/11 (Edger/Volz): The Oklahoma City-Hamburg connection and The Moussaoui-Tenet-Boren Connection
Update: Amsterdam Mosque "El-Tawheed" connected with Yassin-El-Kadi (Ptech) -Infos soon...
Not well known, already in September 2002, Baltimore Sun picked up an interesting european story from Germany's neighbor, the Netherlands.
In this article, it was reported, that one member of the famous "Hamburg Cell",
Mounir el-Motassadeq, "received cash from an Eindhoven mosque that had been diverted from funds provided by "Saudi financiers".
Who are these "financiers" and what's the real story behind this Eindhoven mosque?
Unfortunately El-Motassadeq can't talk about this mosque anymore.
In February 2003, he has been sentenced to 15 years in prison.
It was the last case of Judge Albrecht Mentz, well known for his trials connected with east german intelligence (STASI), PKK terrorists and famous hijacker Souhaila Andrawes (Mogadishu/RAF, 1977).
To take a look on the history of this Eindhoven Mosque, we therefore have to go back to 1989.
A good insight gives an article by Wall Street Journal from April 2003, named
"A Saudi Group Spreads Extremism In 'Law' Seminars, Taught in Dutch".
Wall Street Journal became very sensitive for interesting investigative pieces, since one of their reporters, Daniel Pearl was murdered in Karachi, Pakistan, in early 2002.
His killers, officially Omar Saeed Sheik was one of them, had strong ties to Pakistan's secret service *ISI.
* In September 2003, a new book by ABC-reporter Gerald Posner makes startling allegations that captured Al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah revealed details of direct connections between the highest levels of the Saudi royal family, Pakistan’s ISI, and Osama bin Laden.
The WSJ-article about the Eindhoven Mosque was mirrored on many dutch right wing blogs, who reflected the saudi-muslim spin in their own way.
But what's the real story, without any political conclusion?
And are there more U.S. ties involved?
Already in 1989, Ahmed Cheppih, originally from Morocco, "helped found the mostly Moroccan Al-Furqaan Mosque and the Netherlands' first Islamic primary school".
As later revealed, the Al Waqf Al Islami Foundation is linked to the so called "golden chain" list of Bin Laden financiers, "filed on January 29, 2003" in the case of USA v. Enaam Arnaout (Benevolence International Foundation).
The original document was seized by the Bosnian police during searches in the offices of Benevolence International Foundation in Sarajevo in March 2002.
A french team of investigateur.info was granted access to these documents following an order of the Supreme Court of Bosnia Herzegovina issued on March 6, 2003.
The list included top 20 Saudi financial sponsors include 6 bankers and 12 businessmen, among which 2 former ministers.
Most recently, on September 2nd, 2003, Investigator.info released a letter by BarlowLyde&Gilbert; (London), solicitors acting for one of their clients, who asked for a removal of his name.
Barlow Lyde & Gilbert was once involved in the ligitation of Barings, Maxwell and BCCI.
Among the other financiers of the "golden chain" list are mentioned:
* According to weekly magazine Veja, AFP and AP, Osamas brother Khalil Bin Laden is Brazil's Honorary Consul in Jeddah since 1988. He was appointed by
then-president Jose Sarney.
Which brings us back to Al-Furqan Mosque in Eindhoven.
Already in 1999, the Al-Furqaan Mosque, located in *Paul Potter Straat, became more interesting for Netherland's Secret Service AIVD.
(* Ironically this street is named after famous dutch painter Paul Potter (1625-1654), who was married with an architect from Le Hague.
As dutch media revealed between 2002 and 2003, at least seven mosque suspects, could have been traced back by AIVD to Hamburg, obviously also with help of german intelligence.
1) Mohamed Raji
Photo: Hamburg Al Quds Mosque (1999) including Mohammed Raji (third from R, with Atta putting his hands on his shoulders)
After coming under investigation for allegedly helping to handle logistics for the Sept. 11 hijackers, Raji returned to his native Morocco.
"Invitations were sent from across Europe," Mr. Raji said in a sealed deposition taken by Moroccan police last year.
Interestingly, at the same time, Ahmed Cheppih sent his son Mohammed Cheppih "to Saudi Arabia to finish high school and then attend university. In 2000, the son returned to the Netherlands as representative of the Muslim World League, Saudi Arabia's main international charity."
Cheppih's son Mohammed was later also linked to *Arab European League (AEL) in the Netherlands and Belgium.
* Interview with AEL-leader M'Hamed Zaghoubi
2) El-Hassen Ragi
As WSJ reported, El-Hassen Ragi is yet another Hamburg resident "currently under investigation for possibly aiding the Sept. 11 attackers".
3) Zacarias (Zacariya) Essabar
According to the results of the dutch intelligence AIVD, also Atta's roommate Zakaria Essabar was at the 1999 Ramadan seminar.
Due to a transcript by a german federal prosecutor from February 5th, 2003, "Essabar applied twice for his visa.
...Upon his return from Afghanistan in August 2000 he lived in Germany under various bogus addresses. With a view to his planned journey to the USA, he did not intend to register for residence again..."
4) Ibrahim Diab
Another man who attended an Al-Waqf seminar in Eindhoven was Ibrahim Diab.
Diab left Germany the day before the Sept. 11 attacks, according to German court documents.
5) Mounir al-Motassadeq
As reported by Baltimore Sun, "Vincent van Steen, a spokesman for the Dutch secret service, said Motassadeq, visited Eindhoven in 1999 for a religious gathering, possibly with others from the Hamburg cell."
This was also confirmed by Germany's top prosecutor, Kay Nehm, who has said Motassadeq, "embraced fundamentalism after visits to the Netherlands."
Yet another confirmation comes from Eindhovens Dagblad, a local newspaper, which referred to an unnamed intelligence source working with information from American investigators, that "Motassadeq received cash from an Eindhoven mosque".
6) Ramzi Binalshibh
According to an AP report from September 2002, another "German security official" confirmed,
that also Ramzi Binalshibh from Hamburg, attended a "meeting in mid-June 1999", but in Amsterdam.
7) Mohammed Atta
Due to another report of dutch newspaper Het Parool, "two hijackers involved in the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US, including Mohammed Atta, possibly received ideological training at the *El Tawheed mosque in Amsterdam."
* Eindhoven Dagblaad ties Atta to the Mosque in Eindhoven, see below
8) Marwan al-Shehhi
One of the "two hijackers" from above, mentioned in Het Parool, seems to have been Marwan al-Shehhi.
The interesting story of the Al-Furqan Mosque continued even after 2001.
In 2002, two young men from the mosque, Ahmed el-Bakiouli, 20, and Khalid el-Hassnaoui, 21 were killed by Indian soldiers fighting Muslim militants in Kashmir. The Dutch domestic intelligence agency AIVD, said in public reports last year that the pair were recruited in Eindhoven by Islamist extremists.
AIVD was also interested in the whereabouts of a native Frenchman called **Jerome Courtailler alias Salman, who was the leader of the so called "Rotterdam cell".
According to an intense research by MacKenzie Institute, Jerome's brother David Courtailler was equally involved in terrorist causes. Both French brothers went to London in 1997 and "found solace in radical Islamist causes. They met *Nizar Trabelsi (Brussels cell, who once was preparing an attack on the American Embassy in Paris) and Sheik Abu Qatada.
* played once for soccer club Fortuna Düsseldorf in Germany
Interestingly, David moved into the Brixton apartment of Zacarias Moussaoui aka Abu
Khalid al Sahrawi, whose arrest in the Summer of 2001 "probably prevented him from being the twentieth hijacker."
The report states now, that David "had also been publicly associated" with Islamist terrorist causes in France.
"This was also known to the *Dutch BVD when Jerome arrived in Holland and his telephone was tapped. Once he made a crucial call to Nizar Trabelsi in Brussels by satellite telephone to discuss future terrorist operations. Trabelski could then be located through the Global Positioning System.
* Note:
The BVD subsequently informed Belgian State Security, which later spotted Jerome Courtailler and Nizar Trabelsi in a house belonging to two Moroccan criminals. From that moment on both terrorist cells were closely monitored. Trabelsi was also anything but cautious. Italian investigators claim that Trabelsi discussed attacks on American targets over the phone with members of a terrorist cell in Milan.
Jerome Courtailler's name surfaces in a number of investigations into the Bin Laden terror network. He was probably the one who gave forged Belgian passports to an Algerian man in the Dutch city of Eindhoven who in turn may have given them to the killers of (Ahmad Shah) Massoud", former Commander of the Northern Alliance, who was killed two days before the Sep11th attack and then replaced by Massoud's intelligence chief, Gen. Mohammed Fahim.
Nizar Trabelsi, was then arrested in Belgium on Sept. 13, 2001 and Jerome Courtailler, arrested in the Netherlands the same day.
In 2003, Radio Netherlands reported, that "seven suspected Muslim extremists are being held in detention in the Netherlands after they were arrested on suspicion of having links with the al-Qaeda network....
In August 2003 Wall Street Journal reports, that in May 2003, a Rotterdam court acquitted 12 of these men, which "are said to be members of the *GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and War), an Islamic extremist group with close ties to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network."
* The GSPC was formed in 1998 by Hassan Hattab (aka Abu Hamza).
Before GSPC emerged in 1998, its cadres were part of the GIA (Armed Islamic Group).
Several hundred GIA members had fought in the Afghan-Soviet war, and many of them had links of one sort or another to Osama bin Laden.
Other articles link also Djamal Beghal to GSPC. It is said, that Beghal is also thought to have "recruited" both Zacarias Moussaoui and (Richard) Reid, the 'shoebomber'.
(Source: International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism, Guardian)
On March 24, 2003, other new links came to light between the Saudi Embassy, Eindhoven and the Hamburg cell:
" .... The Saudi Foreign Ministry recalled Mohammad J. Fakihi, director of the Islamic Affairs Department at the Saudi Embassy in Berlin. German police say that earlier, they had found Mr. Fakihi's business card among the possessions of convicted Hamburg cell member Mounir Motassadeq. Om May 27, German investigators wrote to the Saudi embassy's police liaison officer, Saleh al-Harbi, for help in ascertaining how Mr. Motassadeq obtained the business card of Mohammad J. Fakihi.
"Two weeks later, Mr. Harbi responded, according to a German document describing the phone call, and said the written request violated protocol. He asked for a more informal "verbal note" from the German foreign ministry. Mr. Harbi said that his government would provide the information within a week of the request and that embassy officials were already collecting it. German officials are still waiting for a response."
Meanwhile, in August 2003, the story of the 12 aquitted men in the Netherlands, gets an interesting new spin.
As reported by Wall Street Journal, "the purported leader of the 12 is Kassim al Ali (aka Abu Bilal), a 28-year-old Iraqi Shiite who also frequented Furquan. Al Ali arrived in Holland in 1997 and immediately asked for political asylum. But after discovering that Al Ali had previously attempted -- unsuccessfully -- to apply for asylum in Germany using the pseudonym "Talal Ala," Dutch police arrested him for carrying a false Iraqi ID. During their subsequent search of Al Ali's Arnhem apartment police found a diving license.
This seemingly insignificant discovery became vitally important when investigators discovered that Al Ali had once attended a diving school in Eindhoven called Safe Diving. More than 50 Muslims attended Safe Diving at the same time, unusual considering that Eindhoven is a relatively small town miles from the sea.
Too many dutch ties? We have more:
Back to 1999, the year of the Eindhoven Seminars.
This is the same year, when dutch immigrant Rudi Dekkers "arrived" at Huffman Aviation, which in reality belonged to Wallace J. Hilliard, who had "ties with the Evangelical Christian Right, including having loaned televangelist Jerry Falwell a reputed $1 million".
Hilliard is also Director of VisionAire Corp in St. Louis.
In reality, Huffmann Aviation (former owner Stan Huffman) always belonged to someone else:
Dekkers was just the manager, Hilliard the boss, who bought Huffman in May 1999.
* The website of Ambassador Airways, originally from Naples, FL, meanwhile links to
Ambassador Appraisals in Joplin, MO.
Dekkers other partner became Arne Kruithof from Rotterdam, who "owned" Florida Flight Training.
Both were supported by other controversial partners.
Arne Kruithof hooked up with * Pascal Schreier, former Vice-President and Agent of Florida Flight Training Center.
Kruithof and Schreier have made every effort to recruit foreigners to their pilot school, and most specifically from the Middle East. The following quotes to recruit foreign representatives prove this:
* Schreier runs now Pelican Airways/Flight Training Center
Rudi Dekkers became partner of Richard Boehlke ("Harbor Air"), in an airline venture called Florida Air (now Triple Diamond)
Boehlke was also linked to a firm called Capital Consultants, which was headed by a guy called Jeff Grayson. But Grayson disappeared in 2000 after $355 million went missing from Capital's investment fund.
Another man is connected to Capital Consultants: **Alvin Malnik, once been called "Meyer Lansky’s heir" (famous mob financier).
** In 1962, Malnik was listed as a director of the Bank of World Commerce, a Bahamas-based institution that involved 'some of the nations' top gangsters,'
During a four year period while Alvin Malnik was acting as chief financial advisor to Saudi Royal family member ***Prince Turki Bin-Aziz, son of the king of Saudi Arabia, his son Mark aka Shareef Malnik married Sheika Hoda Al-Fassi, the daughter of Prince Turki's brother-in-law, the notoriously flamboyant Sheik Mohammed Al-Fassi.
***For almost 2 years, a story of the son of yet another Aziz, Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz, the kingdom's minister of defense was part of a cover-up.
From here on, the "dutch coincidences" continued.
In the next 24 months, three Hamburg residents showed up at the flight schools.
Atta and Al-Shehhi decided to learn at Dekker's Huffman Aviation, while Siad Al Jarrah joined Kruithof's Florida Flight Training.
If all three got their contact out of the yellow pages, will probably remain a secret forever.
But maybe also "someone else" tries to keep this detail secret?
Since September 2001, the dutch flight school owners had been involved in at least three accidents:
On July 5th, 2002, Arne Kruithof, "owner of Florida Flight Training" had a lucky escape when a private plane nose-dived to earth after taking off from the Venice Airport.
Kruithof's and two companions cleared the shattered fuselage of the Twin Beech E18 to safety only moments before the plane exploded in a fireball.
Kruithof's school trained Siad Al Jarrah, who was on the aircraft which crashed in Pennsylvania on 9th September 2001.
On March 1, 2002, Pelican Air, the company of former Arne Kruithof's partner, Pascal Schreier is involved in an accident:
"An accident on the Dutch Antilles happened this friday evening. Bell 206B JetRanger II PJ-PLD of
Pelican Air (which was in service with the Police Air Support Unit) crashed at Curacao, in the district of Seru Fortuna.
This accident was the result of a kite-rope, which came into the mainrotor and broke both pitch links.
Pilot Stephen Holland and police-officer Djurik Anthony where slightly injured.
In January 2003, Rudi Dekkers "ditched his helicopter into the Caloosahatchee River in Fort Myers, FL. , ...suffering only minor injuries.
Rudi Dekkers is meanwhile in jail.
In March 2003, he was arrested by the State Attorney's Office on felony fraud charges.
Why are all these obscure dutch ties to 9/11 pretty much unknown?
Was it really "incompetence" of the CIA, to "ignore" the results of dutch and german observations?
According to Globalsecurity, the Dutch Government sent already 1.100 personnel.
Is this why George Bush invited Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende to discuss a larger role for the United Nations in Iraq?
What is the real political reason for this "friendship?"
One can only speculate, but maybe it's time to pick up the investigation into the dutch flight school owners again.
Did they have any possible ties to Eindhoven and Rotterdam?
Another undestroyable passport by Jarrah
And two more questions remain unanswered about "hijacker" Siad Jarrah, who officially took over Flight 93:
The CIA still claims, that Jarrah (pilot of the jetliner that crashed in Pennsylvania) was not on a terrorist watch list.
Alhamzi was on the CIA watch list.
CNN reported in February 2002, that Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley complained, that "local law enforcement officials should have been told by the FBI that Jarrah was on a CIA watch list".
If this is true, how can this "luck" be explained, that only 2 days before 9/11,
Jarrah was stopped on I-95 by a Maryland patrolman for going 90 mph in a 65-mph zone?
"The patrolman gave Jarrah a $270 ticket for speeding and let him drive on to his destiny".
But there was something else odd with this story.
As master-investigator Paul Thompson found out, Jarrah had bought a red Mitsubishi in 2000 in Florida.
Finally we have this strange statement by Kruithof, who claimed, that he was a good acquaintance of Jarrah's girlfriend Aysel Sengun (in fact Sengun was Jarrah's fiancée):
"Jarrah en zijn Turkse, in Duitsland woonachtige vriendin waren goede bekenden van Kruithof. "Een student is toch eigenlijk als je eigen kind", zegt hij."
Did Kruithof know her from Germany? Sengun didn't live with Jarrah in the United States.
Or do we have to look for a totally different Jarrah?
The one, who lived on East Third Street in Brooklyn, New York in 1995?
But this would be another story...
Tot ziens.
Freedomfiles forwarded me some excellent
links about Investcorp.
Here are the highlights:
The Catbird-Seat about Investcorp
The company, Investcorp, is located in Manama, the capital of Bahrain, and was founded by the region's most elite oilmen and financiers: Nemir Kirdar, an Iraqi businessman and former manager of Chase Manhattan Bank in the Persian Gulf; Ahmed Ali Kanoo, who died in 1997; Ahmed Zaki Yamani, former oil minister of Saudi Arabia; and Abdul Rathman Salim Al Ateeqi, former oil minister of Kuwait.
Investcorp Investment Holdings Corp., is registered in the Cayman Islands, and its main subsidiary overseeing international activities, Investcorp SA, is registered in Luxembourg.
Inspired by the movement toward autonomy and the financial emancipation of the Persian Gulf after the first oil crisis - especially in view of large Western financial institutions - Investcorp was established on similar principles to those that led to the creation of the BCCI in 1972. Though the two entities are not in the same industries - the BCCI is a banking institution, while Investcorp is meant to be an investment company - they were both created with the joint support of the Emirate authorities, Saudi investors, and Western banks (Bank of America in the case of the BCCI, and Chase Manhattan in the case of Investcorp).
In addition, their holding companies were located in the same offshore centers (the Cayman Islands and Luxembourg).
The two entities also have common shareholders. In addition to its two main executives (Abdul rahman Salim Al areequ, chairman, and Nemir Kirdar, president and CEO) as well as representatives from the government of the United Arab Emirates, Investcorp also has an executive committee made up of eighteen of the group's main shareholders, many of whom were shareholders in the BCCI.
At least four of these members represent the interests of, or are closely involved with, Saudi businessmen who played a major role in the BCCI affair. They are Abdullah Taha Bakhsh, Mohammed Abdullah al Zamil, Bakr Mohammed bin Laden, and Omar Al Aggad.
Between 1976 and 1982, Abdullah Taha Bakhsh - an investor in Harkin Energy, recall - was the representative for the bin Laden family in the United States. He also represents Khalid bin Mahfouz's financial interests in the Middle East. What's more, several sources emphasize the fact that he represents the interests of Khalid Salim bin Mahfouz on the board of directors of Investcorp. In fact, bin Mahfouz holds a 25 percent stake in Investcorp, thanks to Bakhah's services....
from Spitfirelist
5. Talat Othman, is a member alongside Frank Carlucci of one of America’s most prestigious think tanks, the Middle East Policy Council as well as being a leading Arab-American supporter of the Republican party.” (Ibid.; p. 133.)
6. Othman, in turn, is a protégé of Abdullah Bakshs, the U.S. business representative of the Bin Laden family between 1976-1982. Salem Bin Laden was represented by another Bush business associate, James R. Bath—himself a representative of the Bin Mahfouz business interests (closely linked to the support network underlying Al Qaeda.) (For more about Bath/Bush/Bin Mahfouz/Bin Laden, see among other programs, FTR#’s 329, 342, 347, 353.) “Between 1976 and 1982, Abdullah Taha Bakhshs—an investor in Harken energy, recall—was the representative for the Bin Laden family in the United States. He also represents Khalid bin Mahfouz’s financial interests in the Middle East. What’s more, several sources emphasize the fact that he represents the interests of Khalid Salim bin Mahfouz on the board of directors of Investcorp. In fact, Bin Mahfouz holds a 25 percent stake in Investcorp, thanks to Bakhsh’s services.” (Ibid.; p. 136.)
7. Next, the program takes up Bush’s role in Harken’s questionable deals. Bear in mind that (as will be reviewed below) Talat Othman was involved in this deal as a member of the audit committee. “In early 1989, George W. Bush and his fellow board members at Harken Energy Corp. were presiding over a company that was headed south in a hurry. The Dallas-based oil firm had lost millions of dollars placing bad bets on commodity futures. Debt was piling up; red ink was beginning to flow.” (“Bush Ok’s Deal Like Enron’s” by Warren Vieth; Los Angeles Times; 7/12/2002; p. A13.)
8. “Harken’s executives came up with a novel plan to ease the pain. They would sell a small chain of Hawaiian gas stations called Aloha Petroleum to a group of investors that included Harken’s chairman and one of its directors. The buyers would pay $1 million up front, but the accountants would record an immediate $7.9-million profit, enough to erase most of Harken’s losses for the year.” (Idem.)
9. “They made a point of seeking the approval of directors who were not participants in the investor group. Bush, a member of the board’s audit committee, signed off on the deal, according to Harken documents. So did the company’s outside auditor, Arthur Andersen & Co.” (Idem.) In this context, one should remember that, just as the Harken deal with Aloha resembled Enron’s operations, Arthur Andersen was Enron’s accountant.
Photo: Albert Joseph and Talat Othman (left to right) (Info
Talath Othman links
The Case for an American Muslim Identity -- Beliefnet.com Pravda.RU Corruption, United States President-Style Pravda.RU Corruption, United States President-Style Bush Record - June 14, 2002 KPFK Past Show Archive Shieffer Brains. : Melbourne Indymedia Scoop: The GW Bush - Osama Bin Laden Connection The Catholic New World - News Digest 10/22/00 George W. Bush : Detailed Background Arab-American Business
from random-abstract.com
--- Who's Who in the Harken Deal
AT HARKEN
ABDULLAH TAHA BAKHSH -- A Saudi investor who controls about 17% of HArken's stock, he has extensive business interests in Saudi Arabia and the U.S.
GEORGE W. BUSH -- The President's eldest son, he is a director, consultant and shareholder in Harken Energy. Runs the Texas Rangers baseball club and may play a role in father's re-election campaign.
TALAT OTHMAN -- Middle Eastern-born director and shareholder in Harken, he helps manage investments for Sheik Abdullah Bakhsh, a major Harken shareholder, and is a member of the Arab-American Council on the Middle East.
ALAN QUASHA -- A Harvard-educated lawyer and corporate restructuring expert, he controls about 20% of Harken's stock and served as chairman from 1983 until last February.
MONTE SWETNAM -- Harken's exploration chief, he led the team that developed the winning drilling program for Bahrain.
DEAL MAKERS
MICHAEL AMEEN -- A Houston oil consultant, he forged close associations with wealthy Arabs while serving as top Mideast official for Mobil Corp. and Aramco. Received a $100,000 fee from Harken.
JACKSON STEPHENS -- Arkansas-based investor whose Stephens Inc. played a critical role in fund raising for Harken. Former Stephens staffers also represented Harken in Bahrain deal, earning a $100,000 fee.
IN BAHRAIN
CHARLES HOSTLER -- The U.S. ambassador, he met with Harken officials after they clinched the drilling contract.
YOUSUF SHIRAWI -- Minister of industry and development for the island nation, he has responsibility for Bahrain's oil industry.
KHALIFAH BIN-SULMAN AL-KHALIFAH -- Prime minister of Bahrain and younger brother to the island's ruling emir, he is a BCCI shareholder.
SAUDI MONEY MEN
KAMAL ADHAM -- A shareholder in BCCI and former Saudi intelligence chief, he is also listed as a borrower from BCCI.
KHALID BIN-MAHFOUZ -- A bank owner in Saudi Arabia who previously held a significant stake in BCCI.
GHAITH PHARAON -- Alleged BCCI front man in secret dealings in U.S. and elsewhere.
More Infos on Talat Othman / BCCI (+
Bush,Mahfouz,Pharaon...):
http://www.random-abstract.com/archives/00000292.html
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